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Notes on John 15:1-8

Introduction: John 15:1-8 demonstrate the difference between a historical believer and a true believer
in Christ. The branches on the vine cannot survive unless the branch is connected to the vine. The vine
supplies all of the nutrients to the branches. True believer dwell in Christ and Christ dwells in His disciples. 
     The historical believer is a member of the local church; they also know the bible backwards
and forward. Some preachers, some teachers, and many go through the motions of being a believer.
This is not enough. Have you received Christ as your sacrifice for your inherited sin? Romans 5:8
Have you accepted Christ as compensation for your personal sins?
Do you accept as true Christ is risen?
Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Master? 1 Cor 15:1-11
      A word about the use of several translations. Men translated them all. The most widely read in
the history of the world is the KJV. If was ordered by a person that was not religious. They picked
seventy men who were more fearful of King James than scared of God. They were rewarded by
The King. If you listen to a preacher or teacher teach, one is taking their word as accurate.
Just remember they are only men. Do you use any ones else's writings they are written by man,
some are more spirited that others. There are authors, which allowed the Holy Spirit to flow
through them more than others.  1 John 4:1 
     A preacher or teacher needs to study, read books, listen to bible studies and sermons in order to
be feed himself.  If the farmer does feed himself he will not have enough strength to feed his flock ( farm animals).
All translations have errors in them. God's original word is infallible. 2 Tim 3:16. 
 Study yourself 2 Tim 2:15.
The student is held eventually responsibly for what the student believes.

More after the Translations.
 John 15:1 KJV
 1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 
 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and 
     every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring 
     forth more  fruit. 
 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 
 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, 
    except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 
 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in 
     him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do 
 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is 
    withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and 
    they are burned. 
 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye 
    will, and it shall be done unto you. 
 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall 
     ye be my disciples.


 John 15:1-8 NIV

  1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 
  2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every 
     branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more 
  3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
  4  Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit
      by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit 
      unless you remain in me. 
   5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and
       I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do 
    6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is
       thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown 
       into the fire and burned.
    7 If you remain in me and my words  remain in you, ask whatever 
       you wish, and it will be given you.
    8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, 
        showing yourselves to be my disciples. 

Excerpted from Compton's Interactive Bible NIV
Copyright (c) 1994, 1995, 1996 SoftKey Multimedia Inc. All Rights Reserved

John 15:1-8 CEV
Jesus Is the True Vine

1  Jesus said to his disciples: I am the true vine, and my Father is 
    the gardener. 
2  He cuts away every branch of mine that doesnít produce fruit.
    But he trims clean every branch that does produce fruit, so that it
    will produce even more fruit. 
3  You are already clean because of  what I have said to you.
4   Stay joined to me, and I will stay joined to you. Just as a branch 
     cannot produce fruit unless it stays joined to the vine, you cannot
     produce fruit unless you stay joined to me.
5  I am the vine, and  you are the branches. If you stay joined to me, 
    and I stay joined to you, then you will produce lots of fruit.
    But you cannot do anything without me.
6   If you donít stay joined to me, you will be thrown away. You will 
     be like dry branches that are gathered up and burned in a fire.
7   Stay joined to me and let my teachings become part of you. Then 
     you can pray for whatever you want, and your prayer will be 
8    When you become fruitful disciples of mine, my Father will be 
The Contemporary English [computer file], electronic ed., 
Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 
1997, c1995 by the American Bible Society.

John 15-1-8 BBE Basic English
1  I am the true vine and my Father is the gardener. 
2  He takes away every branch in me which has no fruit, and every 
    branch which has fruit he makes clean, so that it may have more 
3  You are clean, even now, through the teaching which I have given 
4  Be in me at all times as I am in you. As the branch is not able to 
    give fruit of itself, if it is not still on the vine, so you are not able 
    to do so if you are not in me. 
5  I am the vine, you are the branches: he who is in me at all times
    as I am in him, gives much fruit, because without me you are able 
     to do nothing. 
6  If a man does not keep himself in me, he becomes dead and is cut 
    off like a dry branch; such branches are taken up and put in the
    fire and burned. 
7  If you are in me at all times, and my words are in you,
    then anything for which you make a request will be done for you. 
8  Here is my Father's glory, in that you give much fruit and so are
    my true disciples. 


John 15:1-8 Amplified Bible
1  I AM the True Vine, and My Father is the Vinedresser.
2  Any branch in Me that does not bear fruit [that stops bearing] He cuts away (trims off, takes away); and He cleanses and
    repeatedly prunes every branch that continues to bear fruit, to make it bear more and richer and more excellent fruit.
3  You are cleansed and pruned already, because of the word which I have given you [the teachings I have discussed with you].
4  Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding
    in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me.
5  I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me
    [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing.
6  If a person does not dwell in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken-off] branch, and withers; such branches are gathered up and
    thrown into the fire, and they are burned.
7  If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you
    will, and it shall be done for you.
8  When you bear (produce) much fruit, My Father is honored and glorified, and you show and prove yourselves to be true
    followers of Mine.

Three conditions of the fruitful life: 
1. Cleansing   John 15:2-3. Cp John 13:10,
2. Abiding      John 15:4,
3. Obedience  John 15:4,10,12

The results of fruitful life
1. Law of Christ Gal 6:2.  2 John 1:5.
2. Fellowship     1 John 1:3. 
3. Communion   1 Cor 10:16.

Three degrees in fruit-bearing:
1. Fruit John 15:2
2. More fruit John 15:2
3. Much fruit John 15:5,8.

      The reality Fruit is mentioned three or more times in this chapter points out the significance
 of fruit in a believers life and witness..
     The minor moralities and graces of Christianity are often imitated, but never the ninefold
 "fruit" of Gal 5:22-23. Where such fruit is the Father glorified.  The Pharisees were moral
 and intensely "religious," but not one of them could say with Christ, "I have glorified thee on
 the earth" John 17:4.
Courtesy of the old Scofield Bible.

                    Gal 5:22 KJV But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness,
                                           goodness, faith, 
                                     23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 
                                     24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 
                                     25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 
                                     26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

                                     Mat 7:16-20 CEV
                                                              16 You can tell what they are by what they do. No one picks grapes
                                                                     or figs from thornbushes. 
                                                               17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit.
                                                               18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce
                                                                     good fruit.
                                                               19 Every tree that produces bad fruit will be chopped down and burned.
                                                               20 You can tell who the false prophets are by their deeds.
                                                       The Contemporary English [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System,
                                                       (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995 by the American Bible Society.

           Many Chains employ younger employees, because they are trainable. If a company can
 teach their employees to abide in the company, most companies fair better in the market. They
would like the people who labor for the company to perform as if it was their company.
           Many a Church has started off with a bang and yet falls off in number present from over 200
Down to 8 souls. Why? In functioning For the Lord the believer has to abide in Christ and permit
Christ through the Holy Spirit to abides in them. As Christ says in verse 5 nothing one does
themselves can be finished. A Christian sometime loses sight of their goals. A believerís eye
must be focused on Christ. If you are a true believer Christ is the one doing the work through 
you. Oh what a delight it is to let Jesus work through you.

      In the Old Testament The Vine was shown to be Israel as God the Vinedresser.
 Isa 5:1; Psalm 80:8.
Jesus said to his disciples: I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. Christ is the 
True vine. One branch of the vine should produce as much as another branch. All branches
have the equal potential. The more they get food ( abide ) from the vine the greater the fruit.
 The old saying  youíll know them by their fruits. Mat 7:20

To be without fruit means that Jesusí goal for a life has been frustrated. It signifies either:
(1) a false follower or
(2) a useless disciple (v. 4). The former interpretation is to be favored, ( I do not agree: I think a useless disciple)
      and one such as Judas is a clear and sorrowful example (cf. 13:18Ė30).
      The fruitless one is cast into the fire,
       for its only benefit is to provide fuel (v. 6). 
      The verses do not in any way contradict the security of the believer taught in John 10:28
       The presence of false disciples in the church is not an unusual phenomenon
       (cf. Matt. 13:30, 47Ė50).
              W.A. Criswell, Believerís study Bible [computer file], electronic ed. ,
                      Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson)
                      1997, c1991 by the Criswell Center for Biblical Studies.

                                     1 Cor 3:13-15 NLT 
                                                      13 But there is going to come a time of testing at the judgment day
                                                            to see what kind of work each builder has done. Everyoneís work
                                                            will be put through the fire to see whether or not it keeps its value.
                                                       14 If the work survives the fire, that builder will receive a reward.
                                                            But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss.
                                                            The builders themselves will be saved, but like someone escaping
                                                              through a wall of flames.
                                 Holy Bible, New Living Translation, (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.) 1996.

We are chastened of the Lord, 1 Cor 11:32; Mat 16:27; Mat 25:14-23; John 1:12; 
Heb 12:5-11; 2 John 1:8; Rev 22:12; Rev 3:19.
                                                         Rev 3:19 CEV 
                                                          19 I correct and punish everyone I love. So make up your minds
                                                               to turn away from your sins
The Contemporary English [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, 
(Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995 by the American Bible Society.

  The Lord corrects and disciples the one he loves. It is like a parent that loves and cares for a child.
Sometime the father has to bring the child home early.  Cp Acts 5:1-11; Mat 24:22; Mark 13:20.

    As was acknowledged earlier many a pastor, teacher, and other worker for the Lord, which was doing 
the work on their own. In a case like this it will not last long. Lots of pastors have lost their pastorate due
to them turning from God ( not talking about salvation but the leading of the Lord ) and becoming to believe it is their church. They believe it was they, which built the church. The church belongs to Christ. Mat 16:18
     When one starts to put themselves as the person that is doing the ministry on their own.
 Christ said one has to abide in him and he in the believer. 
      Some believe these passages would have one to believe one could lose their salvation.
Repetitively Christ teaches his disciple all things have dependencies of Christ. The Salvation
of our souls is a love of God. John 3:16. If God does the saving it logically tells one God 
is almighty and competent to keep that which we have dedicated to the Lord. 
John 10:25-30; 2 Tim 1:12; Romans 8:38-39.
     Again some students teach these are lost disciples never saved. They are only historical 
Christian. It is one thing to know history of Christ another to be alive in the history. Are you abiding
in Christ?
      Heard a Pastorís son say in response to some needed building materials. I made the statement 
we need to pray for it. His answer was why should we pray I donít see where it is coming from.
Let me ask are they abiding in Christ?  Have you made Christ Lord and Master of you soul?
       Another interpretation is this is saved disciples. They have become useless, the lost of
blessing will be their lot. God the father will discipline these souls. When oneís life is not
worth more than a pile of brush you life is very bad. Christ seems to prune some ministries.
If a branch quits producing fruit it will become weak and die it has to be taken away before
If harms the rest of the branches. God take care of his own. This passages never states the
branch left or lost its salvation. The branch just became ineffective, lost its fellowship.  Eph 4:30.
     This analysis seems to be correct and with in the keeping with the theme of the Bible.
No longer were these branches abiding in Christ. The branches were unfruitful. It is not that they
had turned from Christ. They are not mention as not believing any more. Their fruits were not with
Christ sanction. The branches are said to be in Christ. Are you doing the will of God in your life?
    Remember the time line was before the day of Pentecost. On that day the Holy Ghost 
came as promised. The Lord added to the Church. No person water baptized these souls into
any church. This would be man having a hand into the salvation of their soul or it would have said
they were baptized into the church. To be a member of a Local church one should be baptized 
or show proof of being scriptural baptized. This has nothing to do with Salvation.
  Baptism is not to be taken without due consideration. Typically the first step a new believer
 takes in service to their Lord and Master is tithing. Very quickly after salvation one needs to follow in scriptural Baptism. Thereby showing the world they have died and are risen with Christ. The believers life is so greatly blessed when everyone obeys what the Lord leads a believer to do. 
God does the saving. God even puts a seal on our salvation. God is the custodian of the seal.

This seal is living. God is all-powerful.  Eph 1:13; Eph 2:18; Eph 2:22; Eph 3:16; Eph 4:4;
Eph 4:30; Eph 5:9

Verse 5. I am the vine, John 15:1 ( Barnes )
   Without me ye can do nothing. The expression "without me" denotes the same as separate from me. As the branches, if separated from the parent stock, could produce no fruit, but would immediately wither and die, so Christians, if separate from Christ, could do nothing. The expression is one, therefore, strongly implying dependence. The Son of God was the original source of life, John 1:4.  He also, by his work as Mediator, gives
life to the world (John 6:33), and it is by the same grace and agency that it is continued in the Christian. 
We see hence, 

1st. That to him is due all the praise for all the good works the Christian performs. 

2nd. That they will perform good works just in proportion as they feel their dependence on him and look to him. And 

3rd. That the reason why others fail of being holy is because they are unwilling to look to him, and seek grace and strength from him who alone is able to give it. 

{1} "without me", or "severed from me

SwordSearcher V3.4 

On the strength of Godís Word . Salvation is forever. There can be no addition made to it.
   ( Baptism, Church MemberShip, or Good works. ) Just simply accepting Godís plan of Salvation.
If you have not accepted Christ, why not today make Jesus Lord and Master of your life? 1 Cor 15:1-11
 Get you eternal life today. It is not a mater of you turning away from God to the point one
loses their Godís provided salvation of oneís soul.
Who does the saving?
Who does the holding?
Who does the sealing?
The Jews understood that when an official of the Government put their seal
on a document it was law even the king could not break the seal. The King could not go against his
 own law. Look at Daniel chapters 2 and 3. 

                       [Bible in Basic English] (Ecclesiastes 3:14)
                                                                 14 I am certain that whatever God does will be forever.
                                                                       No addition may be made to it; nothing may be taken from it;
                                                                       and God has done it so that man may be in fear before him.
                                Ecc 3:14 NLT 
                                                                 14  And I know that whatever God does is final.
                                                                        Nothing can be added to it or taken from it.
                                                                       Godís purpose in this is that people should fear him.
             Holy Bible, New Living Translation, (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.) 1996.
                            Ecclesiastes 3:14 : Amplified Bible (AMP)
                                                                14 I know that whatever God does, it endures forever;
                                                                      nothing can be added to it nor anything taken from it.
                                                                      And God does it so that men will [reverently] fear Him
                                                                     [revere and worship Him, knowing that He is]
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                                        Lockman Foundation All rights reserved.

Does Ecc 3:14 say one can add Baptism, membership in a church, do Good works ( one is saved unto good works)
                        Study God's word, and partake of the Lord Supper to our Salvation?
This then becomes works of right things ( Man's righteousness). Man righteousness cannot save anyone.
Ezek 33:13 Read the Complete Chapter. The Lord is comparing about man's righteousness and God's righteousness. The difference between Man's plan of salvation ( man saving his self ) and the one God provide
for the accepting. 

                                 Hebrews 2:3 :: Amplified Bible (AMP)
                                     2:3 How shall we escape [appropriate retribution] if we neglect and refuse to pay attention to such a great salvation 
                                            [as is now offered to us, letting it drift past us forever]? For it was declared at first by the Lord [Himself], and
                                             it was confirmed to us and proved to be real and genuine by those who personally heard [Him speak].

                                  Hebrews 7:25 : Amplified Bible (AMP)
                              7:25 Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost (completely, perfectly, finally, and for all time and eternity
                                                   those who come to God through Him, since He is always living to make petition to God and intercede with Him
                                                   and intervene for them.

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                          by The Lockman Foundation All rights reserved.
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                          Online Christian Resources. A Ministry of Gospel Communications, 

One has to abide in Christ and allowed Him to abide in you.
                                                    James 1:17 KJV Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, 
                                                                                and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom 
                                                                                is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
                                                     [Bible in Basic English] (Psalms 19:9)
                                                                                The fear of the Lord is clean, and has no end;
                                                                                 the decisions of the Lord are true and full of righteousness.

Finally the verse everyone uses to try to show that salvation is of the Lord.
These verses take manís doings completely out of the work of salvation.
                                                     Eph 2:8 CEV 
                                                 8 You were saved by faith in God, who treats us much better than we deserve. 
                                                                     This is Godís gift to you, and not anything you have done on your own.
                                                                 9 It isnít something you have earned, so there is nothing you can brag about.
                                                         The Contemporary English [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System,
                                                          (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1995 by the American Bible Society.
                                                 Eph 2:8-9 NLT 
                                                                8 God saved you by his special favor when you believed.
                                                                    And you canít take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
                                                                9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done,
                                                                    so none of us can boast about it.
                                          Holy Bible, New Living Translation, (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc.) 1996.

Letís take one more look at the Amplified Bible. Any thing as serious as the eternal abode of 
our soul needs a second look. 
                                           Ephesians 2:8-9: Amplified Bible (AMP)
                            8 For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved ([1] delivered from 
                                          judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this 
                                         [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own
                                          striving], but it is the gift of God;
                                     9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should
                                         boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride 
                                       himself in it or take glory to himself.]
                                  footnotes   1. Joseph Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon.
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No matter where you go, my dear,
Nor what you say or do,
You have a loving Saviour
Who is watching over you.
He knows each sorrow on the way,
He even understands
How rough may seem the path it takes
To follow His commands. 
He knows that you may often fall
And bruised and shaken be,
He knows how very weak you are,
But loves you still, you see.
And so He calls, "Come unto Me,
I am The Way, The Light.
However dark the path may seem,
I'll bring you through all right. 
"I send My angels to protect,
My Spirit to control,
For you are very dear to Me -
You are a precious soul,
That I have given all to save,
I want you for My friend.
Let me walk along beside you
'Til you reach the journey's end." 

                                                    [Bible in Basic English] (2 Corinthians 6:2)
                                                       (For he says, I have given ear to you at a good time,
                                                        and I have been your helper in a day of salvation: see,
                                                        now is the good time; now is the day of salvation):
God's Judgment:  we get what we deserve.
God's Mercy:       we don't get what we deserve.
God's Grace:        we get more than we deserve.
God doesn't have any problems, only plans.

Verses not foot noted came from
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